Iraqi Police infiltrated by Insurgents
Problems run rampant in the Iraqi Police force. At least that’s what the Pentagon says. The pentagon released the following information today:
- Many are largely illiterate.
- Some have criminal backgrounds.
- Some have physical handicaps.
- Some are even rumored to be “insurgents”.
This will seriously put a damper on Bush’s exit strategy in Iraq, and his goal of making a constitution by August 15th.
Yesterday attempts to meet the August 15 deadline for a new constitution received a boost when Sunni Arab representatives said they would return to the negotiating table, and drafters announced agreement on several key articles of the new charter.
The Sunni Arab members on the constitutional committee had walked out of talks last week after one of their colleagues and his adviser were shot dead outside a Baghdad restaurant.
I guess it should be no surprise. If even 1 or two police officers were insurgents, surely they could communicate back with others the wherebouts of these Sunni leaders.
Now these Sunni leaders want assurances as to the security of their people, but to whom can they turn when even the police force cannot be trusted? That’s right: The loyalty of these police officers has come into question. Can they be blamed if they’re being murdered daily?
The loyalty of Iraqi police to the new authorities in Baghdad has also come under question, most notably last November in Mosul when three-quarters of the city’s police force either abandoned their posts or assisted insurgents during an uprising. Surprising?
Read the CNN article on this issue.
July 26th, 2005 at 12:03 pm
I already thought that this would happen, and that it would be so easy to do. You would think that the U.S. would have tight screening on who would be allowed to be an officer. With how tight airprot security is, you’d think that something would be simple enough to do there.
At the same time though, I don’t believe that everyone is in the books. I mean with little villages, and nomadic people, you’d think that they wouldn’t go to a hospital and recieve a birth certificate. I’m sure its 10 times easier to steal someone’s identity in Iraq than here in the U.S.
So if you needed to pretend to be someone else to get into an army, to blow up that army, it’d probably be easier than what we think.
July 26th, 2005 at 12:05 pm
BTW… I love the new website! It looks great, I never thought it’d look this great, but it does. You did a wonderful job on this thing, especially since you wrote the thing by yourself.
July 26th, 2005 at 6:42 pm
How is this different from our police?
/I keed, I keed
July 26th, 2005 at 9:05 pm
cute… but a large difference is here, our police don’t blow up our own buildings, plus we have background checks, and Iraq doesn’t, cause our military is lazy. Or underfunded.
July 27th, 2005 at 1:50 am
Our military is lazy??
Yeah, knowing that at any minute of the day my life and that of my buddy might be taken - and that it might possibly be my fault if I don’t know my job perfect - would definitally cause me to slack on the job.
July 27th, 2005 at 8:04 am
Ditto, this is a matter of laziness or being underfunded. These terrorist groups find poor kids without criminal records to strap on bombs by promising them many virgins in the afterlife. The way these people prey on young men in their society is really a shame. It goes back the the way of life under saddam where the value of life is simply not there.
If our military just killed any person they thought could be a terrorist, and are wrong just once, the ACLU, and the liberal media would want them all thrown in jail, and the President to step down.
It isnt laziness, it is a heavy burden those men face over there.
July 27th, 2005 at 9:01 am
When I said that our Military was lazy I did it to get a rise out of your guys. All I truly believe is that our military should do background checks, and have spies and such in the Iraq military who would know if someone was a terrorists or not, and slowly drive them out.
I’m not saying that we should kill any terrorists in the IRAQ Military, but to jail them and question them. I believe taht there is hope for these people is we were to really do a better job. Not that were really lazy, but that if better policies and regulations were in place that we wouldn’t be worry about terrorists entering the Iraq police. Leaving their post and killing other Iraq police.
I’m saying that if Bush had a set plan, goal, and the military followed thru with his advice, then we owuldn’t be having these continued problems in Iraq.
I think that we could be doing a better job in Iraq, not because of our soldiers, but because of our leadership, and their lack of plan, and thought. I support our soldiers, I have several freinds in Iraq as we speak, and friends that are back at home from being in Iraq, I don’t think our soldiers are lazy, but that their commanding officers, and the secretary of defense, and even the president haven’t thought out every possible angle to this war.
I don’t think that the war is as big of an issue as it was at the beginning. You hear updates and such, and no one really sees how far away we are from letting Iraq go. We have years left in this war guys, due to lack of leadership nothing more.
July 27th, 2005 at 11:31 am
Ditto, I think you are doubting the intellegence and determination of our enemy.
If you think simple background checks will prevent terrorists from joining the Iraqi police or Military, then you are making the exact same mistakes that you accuss Bush and our leadership of making. In fact, every single thing you are suggesting here is being done.
Think of it this way, if we can plant spies in the Iraqi army or police force in order to discover who the terrorists are, then the terrorists can also plant spies to find out who our spies are. Sound complicated? Read up on some of the history of the CIA and you’ll find out this stuff has been going on a long time.
These people are smart . . . they play up on our fear and on our attitudes toward our administration - and to our tendency to complain. They do this for one reason - they know that in a democratically based system of government, if they can affect the attitudes of the people, then the policies of the government will soon follow suite.
Quick example - you say that we shouldn’t necessarily kill the terrorists, but should put them in jail and question them. Guess what? We HAVE been doing that. Only, many people in our dear republic have been fooled by the terrorist tactics into wanting to let these very people go. Part of their strategy is to claim that there is “prisoner abuse” in places like Gitmo to anyone who will listen. And, with this place as divided politically as it is, there are plenty of Kennedy’s - er, people - willing to take those accusations and use them as political ammo against the administration. Eventually, these things take their toll and result in a weaker policy.
July 27th, 2005 at 1:13 pm
I do believe that we should kill all terrorists. You are talking about people who kill innocent people (women and children) and they fell proud about it. I dont care to be politically correct with these poeple. I do think the Bush administration underestimated how brutal and savage these killers are, but trust me everything mentioned above has been done.
The Liberal media now no longer blames the terrorists for their actions. They just say well Bush and Blair started this fight, and the terrorist are just fighting back. None of the media will answer what the terrorist were fighting when the flew planes into the WTC. The corrupt U.N. is even holding a special meeting to determine the definition of Terrorists. (like these people dont apply)
It is very sad.
July 27th, 2005 at 3:19 pm
first off Josh, their was prisioner abuse in Gitmo. They have the pictures, and they admitted to it. Doesn’t matter who was at fault our system says not to abuse, and then we critize other countries for the abuse they dish out, when we do it to, even though we say we don’t. Their is always some degree of harassment given to the POW’s.
At the same time, we kill innocent women and children, and men for that matter. When we bombed Iraq, do you really think that terrorists were the only ones to perish in the explosions? If anyone believes that then they are idiots. We kill innocent people too, we just don’t set out to do it on purpose, does that make the U.S. any better than the terrorists? In some ways yes, but when it comes down to it… some Iraq citizens still think were the enemy just because we kill the innocent by mishap.
July 27th, 2005 at 4:20 pm
The prisoner abuse happened at Abu Graib not Gitmo. There has been major documented abuses at Gtimo.
Saddam would build hospitals and schools beside with weapon storage areas. We do occasionally have casualties that are innocent civilians, but if you are comparing that to terrorist purposely seeking out innocent women and children because they are “soft Targets” then you are saddly mistaken. We see alot of Iraqis that hate us because the media that you watch only show the poeple who hate us. There is no ratings in celebrations
July 27th, 2005 at 4:40 pm
Ditto, you have helped me to decide a new outlook on life.
From now on, my attitude towards all this stuff is this - “Who Cares?”
A terrorist walks into a building and blows people up - who cares? It’s not my people.
SOme people in Iraq get killed by their own leaders? Who cares? Not my leader.
My own family members get killed while going to work on a train/bus/plane? Who cares? Glad it wasn’t me.
I would care, but it seems every single time I do, I get criticized for it because I’m not sensative to the guys who killed them.
Some guy kills my parents? Well, he probably had his reasons. I should just sit down and talk to him about it.
A president kills his people? Thats okay; he had a rough life growing up. And besides, it’s his country and it doesn’t affect me.
In fact, whenever I do try to help, I just get criticized for not minding my own business.
I’m going live in a cave. Hopefully I’ll get bombed so I die. It seems like those who die are the only ones who don’t get criticized - whether they are guilty or not.
July 27th, 2005 at 5:13 pm
I do care… I’m not saying that poeple should care!
The whole point of this discussion was me teling everyone that we should have tight background checks on the Iraq military. I was the one who said,
“At the same time though, I don’t believe that everyone is in the books. I mean with little villages, and nomadic people, you’d think that they wouldn’t go to a hospital and recieve a birth certificate. I’m sure its 10 times easier to steal someone’s identity in Iraq than here in the U.S.”
I believe that we can do a better job, I’m not saying that we should do anything at all. But that we could be doing better.
July 27th, 2005 at 5:38 pm
I’m not saying you said not to care. I’m just saying I don’t anymore.
July 28th, 2005 at 8:21 am
How do we do better? I can not fathom a situation that I would be able to come up with any ideas that the pentagon and the CIA have not come up with already. Really well paid and smart people are paid to come up with the best possible senarios. You make it sound so easy, in essence critizing the decision makers.
All I am saying is when American media is standing up for Terrorist, then it makes the job of our soldiers harder not easier.
July 28th, 2005 at 9:41 am
No one is really trying to stand up for terrorists. If it seems that way, then maybe people are just going about saying what they mean, and its not coming out the correct way. Most of my comments like that. So i apologize if my comments are taken in ways that I do not inticipate then to be.
I do not feel that a group of people, no matter how terrible they are should be killed, no matter what their worng doings are. I don’t believe in mass killings of these type of people, when they were brought up being told that what they are doing is right, and justified. When they are told that their ‘God’ will do great things for them in return for their deaths and sacrafices.
Remember on Fox news or CNN news, their was a man live with comments, this man was a former terrorists as the bottom of the screen read. I believe that once these poeple are seperated and confined that they may see whats wrong with what they were brought up being taught. That a Dr. would be able to help them, and basically have these people live in a confined society were they learn to live in our standards of moral and conduct.
I do believe int he death penalty, but for murders, and cereal killers, ect… I don’t believe in the death penalty for another coutries responsiblity. They should judge them in their own way, and punish them to thier own liking, we shouldn’t be the ones to decide what happens to them.
We can choose to kill or inprision our own criminals. Its not justified to say that we should be incontrol of every group of people and to decide their fate. War is one thing, but capturing them and killing them is another.
It enrages me to hear such things. My sister used to joke around and say things like put all the gays on an island and blow it up… or put all the whatever on an island and blow it up. Basically what I’m hearing from you is to put these terrorists on an island and blow it up, when these people have been brought up to believe that what they do is right.
An intense psychological review should be made to see if they know what they are doing is wrong or not… if they know its wrong and they still do it, then yes I believe that they should be punished, but with but their own country not ours. If they don’t believe what they do is bad, then I personally think that they should be locked up.
July 28th, 2005 at 10:13 am
Ditto,
I dont believe in capital Punishment for Murders and etc, because those people maybe can be reached for God.
Terrorist are trying to kill us, so I guess I feel it is more like self defense. I know that alot of poeple say that these people are not a threat to us, but again we must remember 9/11. If someone breaks into my home, I dont care what his psychological makeup is, I am going to shoot 1st ask later.
I am not suggesting to put all iraqis on an island and blow it up, I am suggesting that we hunt the people who want to kill us and kill them 1st.
July 28th, 2005 at 12:17 pm
Ditto? Do you ever read what you write?
First of all, we have to catch the terrorist. Do we do this while the bomb is still on them, or do we ask them to take it off first?
Okay, now that the terrorist is caught, we won’t question them and interrogate them, because that it mean. It’ll cause them undue mental stress for them to answer questions about where other terrorists might be hiding. In fact, unless the voluntarily give us the information, we might as well not ask them. What we need to do is bring in a psychologist and ask them WHY they want to kill us. As long as they don’t think it’s wrong to kill us, then they aren’t guilty. If they think it’s wrong to kill us, then they should be punished, but not by other people who think they are wrong, but by people who think that killing us is also okay.
That is what I read when I read your post. I hope you are also saying this just to get a rise out of me.
July 28th, 2005 at 2:06 pm
Joey,
“I dont believe in capital Punishment for Murders and etc, because those people maybe can be reached for God.” I do not understand what your saying here. Please clearify.
I doubt a terrorists would break into your home Joey, you live in Ruston, they target large buildings and highly populated areas. But in the chance that they did, or anyone else for that matter, I believe that yes, its okay to shoot, because they are breaking in, and you are in fear of your life, and you don’t know what they might do to you. Shoot ‘em stab ‘em… whatever.
I’m just saying that you shouldn’t go out looking for terrorists to kill, but to capture and send to jail. If they attack you, then yes kill them, but don’t go looking for someone to kill just because someone else in their originization was apart of 9/11. Not all of these people are criminals to our country, but just in their own country.
Josh,
No I odn’t always read what I write, I just start typing, and whatever it ends up as I post. Then after I post i realize that I made no sense, or said something incorrectly.
“What we need to do is bring in a psychologist and ask them WHY they want to kill us. As long as they don’t think it’s wrong to kill us, then they aren’t guilty. If they think it’s wrong to kill us, then they should be punished, but not by other people who think they are wrong, but by people who think that killing us is also okay.”
Okay, here what you said is not what I meant! We should question and and put them in jail, and then turn them over to Iraq. I don’t think that we should hold responsibility for criminals who are from another country. Who never came to the U.S. to commit a crime. Those for 9/11 are different though they came to the U.S.
Also, I’m not saying that if they think its right to kill us to let them go, but if they think its right to kill us that we should develop different jail terms for them, if they did kill us thats one thing, but if they didn’t kill us, and they think its ok, then I don’t think they should be punished for believing in something when they didn’t do anything wrong. If they did do something then yes, they should be dealt with.