September 15th, 2004
Did he or Didn’t he?
Did George W. Bush serve his
full duty? Did he get shown
favoritism? Did he do cocaine
at Camp David?
All these questions, so little time left to decide for whom to vote, and so few
answers.
On the other hand, John Kerry
is a douchebag.
Wow, what wonderful candidates we have this time around. One’s a lying former
coke-head, and the other is a flip-flopping douchebag. What are our chances of
having normalcy the next 4 years?
Update: CBS Guard documents tracked to a Texas Kinko’s. This is going to be a firestorm. Documents allegedly written by a deceased officer that raised questions about President Bush’s service with the Texas Air National Guard bore markings showing they had been faxed to CBS News from a Kinko’s copy shop in Abilene, Tex., according to another former Guard officer who was shown the records by the network. |
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September 16th, 2004 at 7:59 am
CBS had the secretary on last night, she said she didnt type those memos. She says the memos are fake, But she believes what they say is true. WHAT!!
To me this thing is so stupid and a real big mess. And Cocaine in Camp David, I think it is going beyond any resonable thought. CBS has shown a complete lack of respect for the truth. They are just flying blind. I dont think that CBS intentionally used forged documents to hurt Bush, but I think they did not do enough investigating to be considered resonsible.
September 16th, 2004 at 8:28 am
CBS has a political agenda.
All year long, 60 Minutes has been a showcase for the Bush-haters Book of the Month Club, and this most recent episode is only their latest attempt to cast Bush in a negative light.
(CBS ignored the Swift Boat Veterans against Kerry for as long as they could, and only then tried to link them to Bush and, to my knowledge, have never interviewed them for 60 Minutes)
Read “Bias” by Bernard Goldberg, a former CBS News correspondent (and self-admitted liberal) who was forced out of CBS for a Wall Street Journal editorial he wrote in 1996, faulting CBS, and a large segment of the national media, for a liberal bias.
He has some particularly interesting things to say about Dan Rather.
Even at the age of 10, I recognized Rather was doing all he could to help Dukakis win in 1988.
That same year, because of his own actions, he had a nasty on-air confrontation with the first President Bush.
Daddy Bush put Rather in his place that night, I’m proud to say.
Rather has attended and spoken at fundraisers for the Democratic Party, and that’s a proven fact.
If you’ve ever seen his interviews with President Clinton (where he uttered the phrase “if only the American people could be as great as you and Mrs. Clinton,” and compared Clinton to Thomas Jefferson on a greatness scale), it’s obvious he has a double standard for Republicans and Democrats.
Dan Rather lost credibility with me 16 years ago, and his actions continually back up my belief that he is nothing more than a public relations spokesman for the Democratic National Committee.
No wonder Brokaw and Jennings keep kicking his ass in the ratings.
And no wonder so many people are watching FOX News.
September 16th, 2004 at 8:43 am
Dan Rather has also made excuses for Bill Clinton’s scandals, sexual, financial, and the whole Marc Rich “bribes in exchange for presidential pardons” fiasco and once said “There’s nothing wrong with lying to the American people,” (but only in the context, I assume, of lies coming from a Democrat).
I’m a professional journalist, and I can tell you that if my standards for fairness were on par with Rather’s, I would most certainly be fired.
Dan Rather is a disgrace to journalism.
September 16th, 2004 at 9:52 am
I agree that CBS has a political agenda. That much is painfully clear.
However, I want to clear up what may be an incorrect assumption. Joey, in your comment #1, it almost seems to say that CBS made mention of the cocaine. They did not. It was mentioned in a book written by a lady who had first-hand, witnessed testimony by a Bush Family member. This was witnessed by her publicist.
September 16th, 2004 at 1:22 pm
I was upset you made reference to cocaine use by President Bush. That story has no credibility and you know it. Kitty Kelley profits of lies, and that is why no one is taking her seriously. Nor should you.
There is a forensic specialist that said she told CBS that the memos were fraudulent, and that they shouldnt use them. CBS has no excuses, this is on them.
September 16th, 2004 at 2:03 pm
“It was mentioned in a book written by a lady who had first-hand, witnessed testimony by a Bush Family member.”
I object to the reference of Kitty Kelly as a “lady,” LOL!
September 16th, 2004 at 3:22 pm
The only reason I made mention of Kitty Kelly’s book was because she asserted that she was TOLD that bush did cocaine in the presence of her publicist. Her publicist is conveniently unable for comment now. Seems odd to me, either way.
Attacking people who made the claim based solely on who they are is not a valid argument.
Sure, Kitty Kelly is responsible for some scandalous books in her past. Regardless if they have been 100% proven or not, they’ve always made a splash. The fact remains is that there are some bombshells in her book that are true.
It’s no surprise. Someone could write an equally damning book about John Kerry (ahem…swiftboat veterans).
September 16th, 2004 at 4:08 pm
What bombshells in her book “are True”. My Point is that Kitty Kelley has proven A LIAR. whether she lies 100% of the time or not, I dont have to believe a word she says, because she has no integrity.
I never said I believed the “ahem” swiftboat vets; even though his cambodia in christmas story has been proven false. (Kerry admits that)
CBS published a story with false documents, and Kelley is a proven liar, and you bash Veterans who Kerry called rapist and murderers. (this is a Fact)
September 16th, 2004 at 4:28 pm
The publisher’s of Kelley’s book are trying to prevent most major newpapers and magazines from doing any independent fact finding missions on the book, saying it would infringe on their copyright laws, which is stupid and absurd.
Oh this “lady”(thats for you Chris) also called Reagan a rapist and Nancy a glorified prostitute in her earlier writings. Definitely someone to listen to i guess.
September 16th, 2004 at 5:17 pm
the way i understand it, isn’t kelly just repeating what she was told by a bush family member?
from the link: She quotes his former sister-in-law Sharon Bush who claims: “Bush did coke at Camp David when his father was President, and not just once either.”
if kelly was lying about this, wouldn’t sharon step up and say “this isn’t true, you’re misquoting me?” you’re making it out like kelly is the one lying simply because she put it in print, when, if there is a lie here, it came from sharon bush.
September 16th, 2004 at 6:50 pm
If the leader of the free world can’t do a little blow, or get a little blow (to give equal time to the Democrats) then who can?
My opinion (and Joey said we’re all entitled to one) is that all this historical military service bullcrap is a plot from both sides to redirect us all from the real issue:
“what has either candidate done for the American people in the past 4 years that is worth our vote.”
It’s a fun discussion folks, but go take a look at Kerry’s voting record. Take a look around your community and see if the economy has really turned around. Watch a little Discorvery Times channel and see the documentaries of what war in Iraq really is. Don’t let the liberal media drag you into their smoke screen. Take a hint from Ms Jackson (since I am nasty) and ask your candidates what have they done for you lately.
September 16th, 2004 at 7:46 pm
To be perfectly candid, I don’t think any of us should dignify anything Kitty Kelly says or does by even discussing it.
The real issue now revolves around the fact that the media, except for FOX News, has too many liberals in it, and, whether unconsciously on their part or not, their personal politics influence their news reporting.
Most of us know the media is liberal, but on occassions such as these, must they be so obvious about it?
I should know…..the only other conservative at my paper here in South Florida works in graphic design…..and he has nothing to do with reporting.
And go to The News Star in Monroe, Louisiana, the heart of the Bible Belt, and you’ll find nothing but hard core leftists there, as well.
At my unsuccessful job interview there last year, the guy who would have been my boss kept me asking me if I “was in league with these ignorant Southerners who always vote Republican, and support Bush,” who, according to him, “is more evil than Adolf Hitler.”
And this was just a job interview!!!!!
And that’s just one personal example among many I’ve seen in this business.
September 16th, 2004 at 8:29 pm
allow me to burst your bubble by pointing out there are people out there on your side of the matter who pull the same shit and, in this story’s instance, worse.
http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/040912/sticker.shtml
September 16th, 2004 at 8:46 pm
Now wait a minute, Mirvae, I’m talking about the media, the most influential tool of modern thought, being way too liberal, and how it’s a dangerous trend for society.
How is it just as dangerous if the boss of a cellulose insulation company in Moulton, Alabama fires a woman for sporting a Kerry bumper sticker?
The boss should have respected his employee’s right to free political expression on her private property (even though the Bush tax cut was the only reason she probably had a job in the first place), but I don’t understand the reasoning behind your comparison.
September 16th, 2004 at 8:50 pm
you gave a specific example of a job where the boss was very strictly against a certain set of political beliefs. i gave an example of someone who was the opposite.
September 16th, 2004 at 9:40 pm
uh………………okay!
But let’s try to keep this limited to the media, where diversity of thought and ideas is supposed to be encouraged (and isn’t), and not an insulation company, where it doesn’t really matter what percentage of the workers swing which way politically.
September 17th, 2004 at 8:10 am
First of all, Benissocool is dead on. I really dont care about military records because both canidates were honorably discharged. I also encouraged people to listen to their own judgement, and not MIcheal Moore, Dan Rather, or Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh. I am so sick of mud slinging lies and propraganda.
Mirvea, I do agree with Chris on this. Even though I think it is sad that some lady got fired from a insulation job over politics; Media oulets should be on a different standard. The New Star guys implies he only wants poeple who see politics one way. WHen this happens you get CBS.
September 17th, 2004 at 12:55 pm
“if kelly was lying about this, wouldn’t sharon step up and say “this isn’t true, you’re misquoting me?” you’re making it out like kelly is the one lying simply because she put it in print, when, if there is a lie here, it came from sharon bush.”
She did. I saw an interview with Kitty Kelly and Sharon Bush back to back. The interviewer nailed Kitty Kelly on it, and Sharon’s version was VERY belivable. No, this was not on Foxnews either
I saw it of http://www.msn.com/ but am having trouble finding the videos. However, Sharon has denied it several other places:
“I categorically deny that I ever told Kitty Kelley that George W. Bush used cocaine at Camp David or that I ever saw him use cocaine at Camp David. When Kitty Kelley raised drug use at Camp David, I responded by saying something along the lines of, ‘Who would say such a thing?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6706-2004Sep8.html
Regardless of Idealogy, Kitty Kelly is kook. I would same the same if she was a conservative saying things more in line with my views. Just watch any interview she is in. It is obvious! To compare her to the swift boat veterans is like comparing Apples and Rocks.
kook
n : someone regarded as eccentric or crazy and standing out from a group [syn: odd fellow, odd fish, queer bird, queer duck, odd man out]
September 17th, 2004 at 1:08 pm
I’ll admint she’s an odd bird.
September 17th, 2004 at 1:13 pm
Still cant find the videos that I mentioned above. But here are the specifics if someone else wants to look for them:
I am fairly sure it was Sept. 13. But I am sure it was the “Today” host Matt Lauer.
He interviews Kelly first, then bring Sharron on 10 minutes later and questions her on everything that Kitty claims happened. Very informative. But if you google it you will find several articles discussing that interview.
September 17th, 2004 at 1:44 pm
Kitty Kelley has been proven a liar in the past, present, and I am sure the future. It would take a kook to take Kelley seriously.
Great putting the definition on you comment.
And I agree with you, Liars shouldnt be taken seriously whether they agree with someone or not.
September 17th, 2004 at 7:19 pm
As far as bias in the media goes, I don’t mind if a particular news outlet leans a certain way, AS LONG AS THEY ADMIT IT.
No matter how much a person or institution may claim otherwise, no one can be 100% objective. If a newspaper, TV network, radio station etc., wants to support a particular philosophy, political party, or whatever, then just be up front about it so I know where you’re coming from.
For example, it’s painfully obvious that Fox News has a conservative agenda. What ticks me off about them is that they claim objectivity with their the whole “Fair and Balanced” tagline. CBS is also guilty with Dan Rather having a history of editorializing quite favorably towards the left.
In the early part of the last century, many American cities had different newspapers that represented various political views, and it was well known which papers would spin things or portray events in a certain way according to their agenda. The papers made no secret of this, and didn’t attempt to cast themselves as athe arbiters of what was completely truthful and objective.
I find myself wishing that news outlets did the same today. I listen to/read/watch both left- and right-leaning media, and decide what to believe after trying to get both sides’ take on things. All I’m asking for is not to have my intelligence insulted. If you’re conservative, fine. Tell me. If you’re liberal, fine. Tell me. Gimme your view of things and I’ll take it from there and arrive at my own conclusions.
Just don’t pretend to be completely objective when you’re clearly pushing a particular viewpoint.
September 18th, 2004 at 7:05 am
The only journalist out there that I know of that is completely objective and treats all sides fairly is Tim Russert.
We need more journalists like him……and he’s a Democrat.
FOX News may be biased in favor of the right……..but they report what ALL the other networks will not (such as a Clinton-appointed judge who released a million dollar drug dealer who ran away from the cops on the grounds that people in his inner-city neighborhood SHOULD fear the cops, as well as stupid environmental regulations that prevented water from reaching firefighters who were ultimately killed because of it).
And Bill O’Reilly, while hardly objective, asks the questions that I wish Brokaw, Jennings, Rather, etc. would ask.
He’s also not afraid to go after Jesse Jackson (who’s nothing but a crook, hustler and opportunist), who successfully intimidates the politically correct media with charges of racism if they dare go after him.
September 18th, 2004 at 10:36 am
I believe that Fox News has shows that lean to the right, but I dont believe that the channel as a whole does. In the actual news reporting, I Happen to think it is fair, which is why I watch it. They do cover both sides. If news is going to hurt Bush, they will report it, but if something is going to hurt Kerry the “big” three wont touch it.
Now I am not talking about opinion shows, I am talking about the actuall news coverage.
Fox News gets labeled based on O’Reilly and Hannity, but they actually do news coverage as well.
Fox News as taken over the ratings lead because they represent both sides best. I know it isnt completely fair, but it is by far the best.
Craiger, I do agree, I just want the facts, and I can make my own decision.