Confessions of a Car Salesmen

August 24th, 2003

Confessions of a Car salesman

Edmunds.com is cool. I just read an article there where Edmunds had placed one of its writers in an undercover position to go work for two car lots to sell cars, learn the tricks of the trade and so on.



Here are the main “tricks” I learned from reading the article:

1. Car Salesmen and women like to stand tall, proud, and with legs spread apart, or arms folded, and most always donning some type of jewelry, be it gold watches or rings. For some reason they also like silk ties. You’ll almost always see car salesmen wearing white shirts, and silk ties, or a polo shirt with the company’s logo on it.

2. Car salesmen like to keep you waiting. This is because they want to feel like they are in control. If they are in control, you are more willing to “do as they say” and perhaps buy a car.

3. Sometimes they may be bugged. If they get you “in the cube” they may turn on the phone intercom so as to let their managers hear you.
4. They like to know what you’re willing to pay (monthly) and they’ll surely ask “up to?” (300, up to…350?). If you tell them this, more variables are thrown into the pot and its easier for them to take money from you somewhere in the equation.
5. They like to start you out high. They set the selling price, and if they start high and work down, it’ll make you feel better. It gives the buyer a sense that the salesperson is TRYING to bargain with you.
6. The sense of urgency is key. The salesperson might call his manager and ask if car “X” is still available? They might also say “this deal is good for only today.” Like this is supposed to make a customer feel better?
7. They like to kidnap you. They don’t ask you if you want to demo a car. They have a saying: “The feel of the wheel will seal the deal”. They ask you to see how good the seats feel, then they slam the door on you, hop in, and make you drive it. Their reasoning behind this is that if you drive it, you will most surely want to buy it.
8. For whatever reason, car salesmen like to shake hands a lot–especially with each other. Its like they’re training for the day when they’ll have to shake someoen’s hand for real, without realizing they’re actually doing it already.
9. They like the “bump up” method. They may take customers to the cheapest cars first and let THEM bump themselves up to more expensive cars.



Here is a glossary of terms that may be helpful to you

Car salespeople have their own vocabulary. It describes
their customers, the deals they make and the
day-to-day life on the lot. Here is a sampling
of how they talk when the customer’s not around.

Be-backs - A customer who leaves the
car lot promising to return later, saying, “I’ll
be back,” or some variation of that statement.
“The guy was a be-back. But I think he meant
it. I’ll see him again.”

Boss - The typical way that salespeople
address the managers or the GM. “Hey boss!
Got a deal for you!”

Bumping - Raising the customer’s offer
for a car. “If Mr. Customer says he only
wants to pay $250 a month, just say, ‘Up to
— ?’ He’ll probably bump himself up to $300
without you doing anything.”

Closer - An experienced salesman who
is brought in to “close” the customer by making
them agree to a deal. “If I worked with a
better closer I’d have more units on the board.”

Desk - This is the sales manager, not
the place he sits. “Ask the desk if these
rebates are still in effect.”

Demo - This is the test drive. “This
guy comes in, demos the car and I think he’s
ready to buy, right? Then he tells me the car’s
for his wife and he can’t make a decision without
her.”

F&I - This stands for the Finance and
Insurance office where the documents are signed.
The F&I salesperson usually will push products
such as extended warranties, fabric protection
and alarms. “The wait for F&I is two hours.
Better stick with your customer so they don’t
leave.”


Full pop lease
- This is when a vehicle
is leased at 110 percent of the sticker price
- the highest amount allowed by most banks.
“I got them into a full pop lease. I’ll get
a nice voucher for that.”

GM - The General Manager. The GM is the
head honcho at the dealership. He runs the business
from day to day. “The guys were standing
out on the curb drinking coffee so the GM called
them into the tower and read them the riot act.”

Green pea - A new salesperson. “The
funny thing is, green peas can outsell the veterans.
That’s because they don’t know how hard this
job is.”

Grinder - A customer who negotiates for
hours over a small amount of money. “We were
only $500 apart but the guy wouldn’t sign. Man,
what a grinder.”

Lay down - A customer who takes whatever
deal the salesperson offers. “I quoted him
monthly payments of $575 and he took it! I wish
all the customers were lay downs like that.”

Mini - The commission on a deal where
the car was sold at close to invoice price.
“Sure, the deal was only a mini. But I qualified
for a weekend bonus and made a grand.”

Mooch - A customer who wants to buy a
car at invoice. “People are spending too
much time on the Internet. It’s turning them
into a bunch of mooches.”

Packing payments - Adding extra profit
to the cost of a car. “This place I used
to work got busted for packing payments. Next
job I get is going to be in a no-haggle store.”

The Point - The place on the car lot
where the “up” man stands looking for customers.
“The GM saw me standing on the point with
my hands in my pockets. He went ballistic and
sent me home for the day.”

Pounder - A deal with $1,000 profit in
it. “Doctor comes in and buys the top of
the line model, fully loaded - and he pays sticker!
That’ll be a two pounder for me.”

Rip their heads off - This describes
taking a customer to the cleaners. “I stole
their trade in, I sold them the car at a grand
over sticker - I mean, I just ripped their heads
off.”

Roach - A customer with bad credit. Not
to be confused with the “roach coach” (see entry
below). “The guy looked good. But we ran
his credit and he turned out to be a roach.
We’re talkin’ a 400 credit score here.”

Roach coach - The food truck that comes
around to the dealership every day. “I should’ve
known better than to eat that chili from the
roach coach. My stomach’s killin’ me.”

Spiff - A tip, kickback or payment of
any kind, usually cash which is handed between
salespeople. “I spiffed the F&I guy $20 bucks
and he took my customers first.”

Strong - This has a special meaning on
the car lot. It means holding firm on your price
and being a tough negotiator. “When they
ask for your price you have to be strong. Hit
‘em with high payments, then scrape them off
the ceiling and start negotiating.” (See also
“weak.”)

Tower - The office where the sales managers
work. This is usually a raised platform allowing
the managers to see over the roofs of the cars
so they can watch customers and their salespeople.
“Attention: All new car salesmen report to
the new car tower!”

Turn over - Also known as “turning,”
this is the practice of passing a customer from
one salesman to another. It is thought that
this will prevent customers from leaving the
car lot. The theory is that the customer might
just have bad chemistry with the first salesman
and he might like the next salesman. “I turned
this guy to my partner and he wound up buying.
I’ll get half of the commission on the deal.”

Up - A customer that walks on the car
lot. The term probably comes from the order
in which customers are taken, as in: “I’m up
next.” Many dealerships also have an up system.
“We’ve got ups all over the lot, and you’re
in the back drinking coffee?!”

Voucher - Car salespeople receive a voucher
to let them know what their commission was for
selling a car. They don’t know until the deal
is finalized exactly how much they will receive.
“Check out this voucher. I thought I had
a pounder. Instead it’s a mini.”

Weak - This describes being a weak negotiator
or coming down too quickly on price. “The
guy was weak so he only lasted a few months.
How are you going to make money in this business
if you give away cars?”



To see the article in full, go here: http://netscape.edmunds.com/advice/buying/articles/42962/article.html

Ann Coulter is a man, baby!

August 16th, 2003

Ann Coulter, aka. Dann CoulterI’ve decided that Ann Coulter is really a man. The more I see her on TV,

the more amazed I am at how much she looks like a man. So, therefore, I’ve renamed her “Dann”
Coulter. Look at those cheekbones, look at that huge Adam’s
apple. C’mon Ann, confess–You’re really a man.

update: 6/17/2004 Ok. Ann has been looking more and more feminine lately. However, you know what they say: If she’s got an apple, she probably has a banana.

the LSAT?

August 13th, 2003

After much thought I’ve decided to persue something–a law degree.

Crazy isn’t it?

I will be taking the LSAT in December this year. If I do well, I may get enrolled into law school for the fall session of 2004. Let’s hope eh?

Update: (april 9, 2007) I took the LSAT and did well, but decided against law school. I don’t know a single happy laywer. Instead, I moved to Dallas, TX in 2004 and have been here ever since.

A typical day in IT

August 11th, 2003

This is too true. If you’ve ever wanted a glimpse into the life of someone in IT, the following passage is a great example:

A shepherd was herding his flock in a remote pasture when suddenly a brand-new BMW advanced out of a dust cloud towards him. The driver, a young man in a Broni suit, Gucci shoes, Ray Ban sunglasses and YSL tie, leans out the window and asks the shepherd, “If I tell you exactly how many sheep you have in your flock, will you give me one?”

The shepherd looks at the man, obviously a yuppie, then looks at his peacefully grazing flock and calmly answers, “Sure. Why not?”

The yuppie parks his car, whips out his Dell notebook computer, connects it to his AT&T cell phone, surfs to a NASA page on the internet, where he calls up a GPS satellite navigation system to get an exact fix on his location which he then feeds to another NASA satellite that scans the area in an ultra-high-resolution photo.

The young man then opens the digital photo in Adobe Photoshop and exports it to an image processing facility in Hamburg, Germany. Within seconds, he receives an email on his Palm Pilot that the image has been processed and the data stored. He then accesses a MS-SQL database through an ODBC connected Excel spreadsheet with hundreds of complex formulas. He uploads all of this data via an email on his Blackberry and, after a few minutes, receives a response. Finally, he prints out a full-color, 150-page report on his hi-tech, miniaturized HP LaserJet printer and finally turns to the shepherd and says, “You have exactly 1586 sheep.”

“That’s right. Well, I guess you can take one of my sheep.” says the shepherd. He watches the young man select one of the animals and looks on amused as the young man stuffs it into the trunk of his car.

Then the shepherd says to the young man, “Hey, if I can tell you exactly what your business is, will you give me back my sheep?”

The young man thinks about it for a second and then says, “Okay, why not?”

“You’re a consultant.” says the shepherd.

“Wow! That’s correct,” says the yuppie, “but how did you guess that?”

“No guessing required.” answered the shepherd. “You showed up here even though nobody called you; you want to get paid for an answer I already knew; to a question I never asked; and you don’t know crap about my business ….

” … Now give me back my dog.

How to get hits?

August 8th, 2003

Want to know what it takes to make a bomb? Want some info on pornography? Want to know what the CIA really is?

Look no further.
By clicking this link you’ll pretty much be answering all your questions.



Feel free to copy and spread the news.

The U.S.A. Quickly becoming a fascist police state.

August 5th, 2003

08/04/2003 - SENTENCING UPDATE
SHERMAN AUSTIN SENTENCED TO ONE YEAR IN FEDERAL PRISON

Sherman Austin, webmaster of RaisetheFist.com, was sentenced today, August 4, 2003, to one year in federal prison, with three years of probation. Judge Wilson shocked the courtroom when he went against the recommendation of not only the prosecution, but the FBI and the Justice Department, who had asked that Austin be sentenced to 4 months in prison, and 4 months in a half-way house, with 3 years of probation.

Austin’s probation stipulates, among other things, that (1) he cannot possess or access a computer of any kind without prior approval of his probation officer, (2) if his probation officer gives permission, the equipment is subject to monitoring and is subject to search and seizure at any time, without notice, (3) he cannot alter any of the software or hardware on any computer he uses, (4) he must surrender his phone, DSL, electric, and satellite bills, (5) he cannot associate with any person or group that seeks to change the government in any way (be that environmental, social justice, political, economic, etc.), and (6) he must pay over $2,000 in fines and restitution. Austin must surrender himself to the Federal Bureau of Prisons by September 3, 2003.

To contact sherman, email keepfistraised@yahoo.com


FROM SHERMAN AUSTIN:

On Jan 24, 2002 , my home was surrounded and raided by approximately 25 heavily armed FBI and Secret Service agents in one of the governments first attempts to exercise the new US Patriot Act. I was interrogated for several hours while they ransacked my room and they seized a network of computers which I used to run my web site raisethefist.com. They also seized protest signs, and political literature. Their excuse was a protest guide (which I didn’t author) that was posted to my site which a small portion contained information on explosives. The FBI had been monitoring the site long before this was ever posted, and long before Sept 11. The “explosives information” on my site (again which I didn’t author) doesn’t compare to what you an find on any other web sites such as howthingswork.com, Loompanics.com, Bombshock.com, Totse.com, Amazon.com, or the many neo nazi web sites which cover everything from assassinations, explosives, fraud and firearms. It’s obvious a web surfer interested in making a bomb or taking part in other extra-illegal activities would not have to rely on Raisethefist.com. So how could the “bomb making information” on raisethefist.com be a concern to authorities? It wasn’t a concern, it was simply used an excuse to exercise the new Patriot Act and take down the site. And that’s what they did when federal agents spent 5-6 hours interrogating me while they disassembled each computer one by one , mirrored each hard drive, then loaded everything into a big white truck. During this whole process I was told I wasn’t going to be arrested, and that I could even leave if I wanted to. Once the agents finished packing everything up, Special Agent John I. Pi, who was conducting the investigation and raid said that I had crossed a line, and as long as I got back on the other side of that line I’d be okay.

A week later despite what happened I still continued with my plans to attend the demonstration against the World Economic Forum in NY. As I was waiting for the march to begin, a swarm of NYPD officers rushed straight at me and scooped up about 26 people, one of which was me. We sat on a bus for 7 hours before being taken to Brooklyn Navy Yard Jail. I was there for about 30 hours before I was taken out of my cell and put into a backroom in handcuffs and interrogated once again by the FBI and Secret Service for several hours. They asked me questions such as if I was a terrorist or involved in any terrorist organizations. During the interrogation I noticed more and more agents walking through the room. I was told I wouldn’t leave custody unless they searched my car. I said I had nothing to hide and simply wanted to go home. Stressed and aggravated, I signed over my keys. A few minutes later I was driven to the court and released. As I was waiting for someone to pick me up, about 5 FBI agents entered the court and said I was arrested for “distribution of information related to explosives over the internet”. One of the agents grabbed my neck and told me to shut the fuck up while I tried to tell one of the legal observers I was being arrested. I was hurried out of the court house into a black SUV where I was driven to a federal building. I was then taken to lower Manhattan MCC maximum security 24 hour lockdown federal jail facility. At my bail hearing the FBI called me a “man on a mission” and said I drove 3,000 miles to carry out my alleged “plot”. The judge said I was a “threat to the community” and denied me bail, and I was to be extradited back to California to face my charges. After 11 days I was shackled and taken to an airforce base where federal inmates are boarded onto planes surrounded by guards with M16’s and shot guns, like prisoners of war, and flown to a federal jail “hub” in Oklahoma. Once I got there, I learned the next day that the prosecutors decided not to file an indictment. I was released after spending 13 days in custody. When I got back to Los Angeles I put raisethefist.com back up almost immediately. I continued my political organizing within the community, as well as my work with Raise the Fist which developed into a Direct Action Network with chapters setup around the world. 6 months later prosecutors contacted my lawyer and said they found nothing to prosecute me for on my computers, but didn’t want to “let me off the hook”. They offered me a pre-indictment binding plea agreement which was initially 1 month in jail, and 5 months in a “community corrections facility”. I rejected the plea at first, wanting to go to trial until we discovered the case was eligible for a terrorism enhancement, which could have added 20 years to my sentence.

I therefore decided to enter a plea. I played months of legal limbo until I finally expected to get sentenced to 4 months in jail and 4 months in a community corrections facility based on the final pre-sentencing report written by the USPO. The judge rejected the 4 months saying what kind of an example would it set for “future revolutionaries” wanting to act in the same manner. He stated he wanted to give me at least 8-10 months but first wanted the opinion of the Justice Department and the Director of the FBI in Washington, DC (Robert Muller). My sentencing was rescheduled several times until August 4th. I was convicted for felony; distribution of information related to explosives with intent, and sentenced to 1 year in federal prison with 3 years supervised release.

Distribution of information related to explosives is not illegal.. What’s illegal is the INTENT part. They have to prove you have intent to use the information to cause further crime of violence .. and how do they prove intent? I think Bush made it clear when he said “you’re either with me or against me”.

Remember, fascism and a police state doesn’t come all at once, it comes piece by piece.
How far will we allow it go until we are all locked up in concentration camps.

If we don’t take matters into our own hands and do something about this now, then we are already prisoners of war.

Raisethefist.com is not shutting down, and the RTF Direct Action Network will continue to grow and remain active. A 1 year sentence is not the end of this. It’s just the begining.

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